Server Population (Important)

FatAndSassy · Naughty Joined: 02 Dec 2008 Posts: 43

Hey guys, I'm normally not the type to really make a post. I don't even know if I'm the right guy to say this for the status that I'm at, I don't even know if y'all if care about my thoughts, but I guess it's worth a shot. I was mentioned by Twiztid that he will be shutting down the server in a month if server population does not increase during that time period. Many members of legion and casual players on the server have seemed to stop playing CS:S for some reason. Understandably, some players probably do not have the time to play. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I personally don't want the server to be shut down and that I'd like to try and brain storm for ideas to increase population. Like Twiztid said, there is no point in keeping up a server with 0-4 people on average with maybe 10 people on the good nights. I remember the server being completely full when I started playing on the Legion server, and I'd like to see that again. Thanks guys for your time Smile

. Take care everyone and if it does shut down, it was nice playing with all of you on the Legion servers for the little time that I've been in Legion.
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hitman 4 jebus · Lieutenant Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Posts: 472

what? serv going down? who had that crazy ass idea. as soon as i came back i got tells from like 8 people. well get this shit rolling
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-x-TRIPWIRE-x- · Loathsome Joined: 05 Apr 2009 Posts: 114

Well, I'm trying to help increase population buy changing my Steam Name to Join-the-GGX IP ADDY and since that we had alot ppl on at the same time that I usually don't see in there but they would usually be on either playing other GG servers or other servers in general. Usually when Twizted and I start playing, it causes a chain reaction. Which upsets us because these ppl shouldn't wait on us or others to join and if they were in there and be paitent, others will come. I sit in there like a loser fighting the bot (like a loser) and I've seen a few ppl come in and stay for a bit and some of them actually return. So my point is this, DON'T WAIT FOR TWIZTED AND ME TO START PLAYING, GET SOME INITIATIVE (means doing something without having others to motivate you to do so) AND GO PLAY CUZ IF NOT TWIZTED IS GONNA SHUT DOWN GGX SERVER.

hitman 4 jebus · Lieutenant Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Posts: 472

kinda like the people who leave as soon as twiz leaves to go play on other servs -_-'
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huyghe1 · Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:38 am Post subject:

Hell no everyone go on the legion sevrer!
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Shmew · Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject:

Not acceptable

Z-Machine · Harmless Joined: 27 Jul 2009 Posts: 14 Location: Missouri

Lucy · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:52 am Post subject:

This is apt to be long winded, but bear with me and do read it all. Do my best to keep it quasi-short-ish.

This is my take on the current lack of players and the reasons behind it. This might ruffle some tail feathers, but at this point who really gives a fuck, yes men who sugar coat things only further a demise, rather than help change things.

Before anything else, I REALLY want to take a moment and state that this is not a personal attack against anyone (for the most part, see below), but simply my quasi-educated theory on the server decline based on what I have learned about group dynamics and social psychology in general. Holy shit, 2.5 degrees, 8yrs and $240k of loan debt are about to yield something. lol

First and foremost, all respect to Twizt. Not only have you provided me with my exclusive (until late) place to play gg, You've had me in your home and we have a friendship that goes beyond the normal "some dude i know online" category. Naturally, I hope you don't take anything I say as a personal attack or anything else of the nature, because you have been providing this wonderful realm for me to squash anger in pharmaceutical induced rages since 2006, and I cant thank you enough.

The server state as we know it:
On its death bed. Hurts me like hell to say that, but frankly, I just don't see it in any other light. Yet even as it teeters on the edge of death, some of us hold out. Cancer, zMachine, tripwire, mike2010 (sorry i forget your name) gweedo, greenmachine, Twizted: you guys are keeping it alive. There are other legion guys im forgetting (sorry), and a handful of non-legion players who still join to play alone with 2 bots or at best a few real players. I have tried my best to sit and wait for players, but frankly with my game time limited as much as it is (wife and real life do that to you), I find myself having a harder and harder time playing there. I feel terrible about it, but frankly i just cant sit and wait to play against at best 2-4 humans, when there are so many other options with 12+ players and i have a window of an hr or two to play on any given day. But im getting off topic.

How Did It Come To This:
There are a number of confounding factors that have lead to the current state. Some were genuine acts of kindness to try and accommodate what players wanted in our servers, others were perhaps a poorly planned administrative staff, and yet others were of a , i hesitate to use the word rebellious nature but something along those lines, and the last being the influence of other games and "real life", you know, that place outside your house? This is going to be lengthy as shit, but so far I don't see dick in this thread as far as reasonable discussion on the issue, so suck it up and read it.
These points are out of order as listed above, but here in chronological order as i see it, regarding how things progressed to where they are today.

1. too many admins ruin the soup. This isnt a current issue, more going back to late 2006 early 2007. I will be the first to admit to donate for admin is a great idea to garner support for donations to sustain the server. Sadly, I think a general lack of oversight on some of our parts allowed for some pretty serious bullshit to fester. Though few of the newer people might know the name, certain "folken" with admin rights (cough cough 2hard) abused the shit out of things, and despite our efforts to mitigate this, we lost a significant chunk of our regular popular right there. Anyone remember colbert repor? But i digress...

2. The split/fragmentation/drama. I want to dwell on this the least, since things like this are the sole reason i shunned clans until i joined legion. There were some hard feelings, people felt betrayed, and while i do feel bad for those most directly effected by this, its only the internet. After my exhaustive study on social interaction on the internet (reference the story of how/why i chose the name lucy) I can say with no hesitation that internet live and relationships mirror those in real life, except that for the most part certain parts of peoples personalities and mannerisms get magnified. It was what it was. This further cut down the general legion and non-legion alike population.

3. accomidation of players wishes. This is a toughie. Twizt spend a LOT of time and a considerable amount of money funding and building servers other an the standard GG to accommodate the requests of legion members and some regulars. For a while, this was great. Our Zombie server was fucking banging, and by far the best i have ever come across. But of course, times and interests change as well as people do, and to date, with the exception of the zombie server, all "spin-off" servers have died a quick and quiet death. For the first week a group of 4-6 legions swarm it, then lose interest and months of code goes to nill.

4. Real life and a loss of interest in css over other games. IT happens and will happen, not much to say or do here.

5. SHUT THE FUCK ALREADY AND END THIS POST aka As I see Things Now

Well, legion has come a long long way, and frankly, after many years in the half-life days dedicated to a single server, it has certainly lived longer than most. Is it dead? No. Is it dying? Yes. Is it relivable? That depends on what direction we take. I say we, although I am not clan command, I feel my tenure here if nothing else permits me to at least speculate and postulate some ideas on our future.

I think with our long history, current and past members, and something of a regular player base, we could come back. But in order to do so, some fairly drastic changes need to be made.

Again i want to reiterate that twizts work on all the mods, customized ggx perks and the such are very impressive. And their fun as hell. Cant count how many times playing somewhere else while on nade level I found myself wishing for a nuke. The problem is, as fun as this add-ons are, it really only appeals to a fairly small minority of people. Experiments in having it turned off for a significant period of time have show me that the random population player base grows when ggx isn't involved.

I can understand all the work that went into it, and i respect that. It is twizts server and he can do what he damn well pleases to with it. I also understand have put hours upon hours of hard work into something, only to have others want you to toss it.

That being said, frankly the only way i see us building a decent regular population again is by removing the ggx. I know a lot of retards join and quit because they dont understand the commands or bother to read the console messages on how to use it. But i also understand that a good amount of people wont play simply because they dont care for the mods. I am not one to name names, but more than one person in the legion set would be happy to see things go back to the banging regular gg with lowgrav that made us so popular in the first place.

Twist I hope you dont take any personal offense over this, these are just my opinions and observations, and those of others. It doesnt necessarily mean just throwing away all the work on the ggx code. For a hypothetical, although I know you mentioned it would confuse people, to help regain a non-clan user base, I think reverting the server to pre ggx for a time, build up a decent user base, and then introduce a second ggx server to compliment our regular. I love ggx and everything you've spent time coding into it, and yes while people just automatically quit not wanting to download all sorts of skins or w/e, i think the real draw away from the server is that its just not what most new/random players want to play.

And of coures, maybe I'm wrong. But in the end that isnt really what matters. Legion is your clan and your server, and by all means do what you see fit. I only offer these observations/suggestions for the sake of argument.

Thanks to the maybe 3-4 of you who read this entire ramble. I hope no feelings were hurt, because thats not my intention. These are just things as I see it.

Keep fraggin them bots to get into the top5 (names withheld) Very Happy

Lucy · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:54 am Post subject:

side note: I do spend time waiting around for people to come. Yay, it sucks. We all know that. And in the end they do, but "they" never turns out to be anymore than the same group of 5 or so reg/semi-reg players who come on. I try my best, but fuck, sometimes i want to shoot more than bots and our few scraggly regs Very Happy

Twiztid · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:56 am Post subject:

The whole having a server besides GGX was why I set up the GG5 server.
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doughboy · Satanic Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 536 Location: New York

LOL colbert report was awesome. i remember him on ace. guy always won. and 2hard was a redneck dipshit. who always had an excuse for kicking and banning someone. "o they hacked, trust me i know" " that kid is bs he cheats" shit u could kill him and he would rage.
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FatAndSassy · Naughty Joined: 02 Dec 2008 Posts: 43

On a related note to Lucy's post, I agree to the mass of admins on the servers, and since I never really donated, which I was planning on doing sometime soon, I would like to give up my admin to reduce the population of admins. I haven't really seen much use of it besides new players coming in, which I can still do normally without admin, but I guess the little (Admin) Fatnsassy: thing gives a little pizzaz Very Happy

. Right now I'm open for any ideas and I would like to contribute to the server and try to help it out.

-Thanks
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Joka4Life · Naughty Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 32 Location: Michigan

I think we should have weekly clan get togethers on the server to try and keep the clan alive, like clan scrims n what not.
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Lucy · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject:

I am all for that, but the times i generally have avail tend to be before most of the others are home or online. still, if we can make something stick, count me in. i've gathered a number of friends from the other gg servers i frequent, and if we had the ggx removed/disabled, i am sure more than a few would be willing to follow me to legion server.

my other post was a bit convoluted so i guess i should try again. basically, I don't really think its feasible to get the server population back to where it used to be. Lots of people left/were scared off, greater numbers still are now into other games like tf2 l4d and cod etc. while certainly not the root cause, as fury has mentioned to me a number of times, css itself is dying, not just our server.

I love having a non-ggx server, but much like twizt said way back when i suggested we change the rpg/regular server to a normal gg, having 2 gg servers confuses people. I think the best course of action would be to drop to just a single gg server, sans ggx. give it some time, encourage our regular and team players to spend a bit more time there. As/if the population begins to grow again, then perhaps bring up a second server, this being a "fun" server with all the awesome ggx code that twizt has written.

just this little bears opinion.

Twiztid · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject:

I'm not dropping one server. If someone wants to play on either one they can, I don't see how removing one would benefit the other one.
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